How to get Umaga over!

Thedossman wrote:

Bazz who would you suggest he puts out of action i can only think Cena while he goes making movies but he wasnt on Raw so i think hes gone,Id like to see him on ECW in a feud with Kane,Because i think Shelton Benjamin could do with a feud against Burke or Punk(If its against Burke id say turn Burke face)as for a manger for Umaga id reccomend Mick Foley,Foley could say he sees a young Cacctus Jack inside Umaga a guy who aint afraid to put his body on the line and that would fit in with him and Kane for the ECW championship

Well I would of liked to of seen him do it too Batista after WM, but thats not gonna happen, Smackdown doesn't have too many big names until the draft(probably after the draft too).

yes i can see a Big Show for Hacksaw Jim Duggan coming

i mentioned gaffer and marty not you

you said it was common sense. well common sense says that wwe are changing umaga into a baby face, i can't see why the common sense of you guys(marty,bazz[as you mentioned yourself] and gaff) has more sense of that of the wwe.

i said you agree about the point that umaga shouldn't speak english and a gimmick change not on everything

realmadrid2manu wrote:

i said these two guys(gaf and marty), as they always agree on everything which is kinda of impossible!!!

Why is agreeing on most things impossible? in the real world, the one from which you are far removed) you will make friends based on the fact that you have similair personalities and that you agree on 'most' things.

In wrestling forum terms me and Gaffer (and Bazz) are "friends" because we share mostly the same opinions about wrestling, appreciate and enjoy reading each others idea's and opinions and enjoy the banter and debate of a good well honed, er debate.

The fact that you can't get your head around the fact that 2 people have more or less the same opinions says a lot about you, adding that to the fact that you believe we 'pretend' to have the same opinions for the sake of this board, and no doubt to wind you up, says even more.

As for your comments about having a life ect......I remember you once making a post on niceboard 'how big a prt of your life does niceboard play?'
In that thread you admitted you dont have much of a life, barely any friends and that forums where basically the main thing in your life - im not saying there is anything wrong with that, I love forums, but your 'them against me' personality doesn't suit forums and one is led to believe this is also the case in real life seeing as you have very few friends. (your words not mine)

realmadrid2manu wrote:

i said these two guys(gaf and marty), as they always agree on everything which is kinda of impossible!!!

And then you go on to say you said we only agree on Umaga and not everything.

Sort your argument out Madrid or shut the fuck up because your getting in the way of some good debate.

READ BACK FOR FUCK SAKE, I QUOTED "YOU" MENTIONING ME.

and the rest of you post makes no fucking sense, they are turning him face WITH THIS GIMMICK YOU RETARD, so ARE NOT changing his gimmick, and the reason they are not changing his gimmick is because(for the 15th fucking time) IT WORKS.

now unless your gonna stop acting like a retarded prick, don't even bother talking to me, grow the fuck up kid.

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yes i can see a Big Show for Hacksaw Jim Duggan coming

The would not surprise me one bit.

Umaga being a face by very definition should be impossible if you consider the gimmick and the logic that SHOULD go with it....

He is a savage.
He has had very little interaction with normal humans and cannot comprehend their ways.
His natural instince it to hurt and mame.

How can this sort of person be a face - he can be a popular heel but not a face.

By definition of gimmick he SHOULD have a handler because suspension of disbelief is too hard to come by when you have to imagine that this creature is staying in a hotel, gets a car to the arena, gets changed and then comes to the ring when his music is played.

He should be put across as a captive who is only let out when his handler wants some bidding done (IE: Someone beaten)

This could be done in vignettes and commentary, promo's etc.

They wont do it of course because of the politics issues.

what is wrong in having a rebellious attitude

yes i did make that thread as i used to love niceboard and 606 but blah blah blah

i said i have a life a student shall have that is stay at home do your homeworks and research..

realmadrid2manu wrote:

what is wrong in having a rebellious attitude

yes i did make that thread as i used to love niceboard and 606 but blah blah blah

i said i have a life a student shall have that is stay at home do your homeworks and research..

a rebellious attitude (which has NO relevance here but I will answer anyway) will make you few friends in real life, only people that share your rebelious views. this ties in with the fact that you have few friends.
On a forum it wont even get you that because 'rebelling' (which again, has no relevance to the mess you have made to this thread) is considered WUMing in forum terms.

disliking, and being unable to handle being wrong isn't 'rebellion' it's childish.

Marty McFry wrote:

Umaga being a face by very definition should be impossible if you consider the gimmick and the logic that SHOULD go with it....

He is a savage.
He has had very little interaction with normal humans and cannot comprehend their ways.
His natural instince it to hurt and mame.

How can this sort of person be a face - he can be a popular heel but not a face.

By definition of gimmick he SHOULD have a handler because suspension of disbelief is too hard to come by when you have to imagine that this creature is staying in a hotel, gets a car to the arena, gets changed and then comes to the ring when his music is played.

He should be put across as a captive who is only let out when his handler wants some bidding done (IE: Someone beaten)

This could be done in vignettes and commentary, promo's etc.

They wont do it of course because of the politics issues.

Its another case of the lines of face/heel being blurred, in a traditional sense Umaga should always be heel, but with the smarks he's over so gets cheered(kinda). Its a min-version of the Cena thing, but in revers(if that makes any sense).

[quote="bazz23-v2
Its another case of the lines of face/heel being blurred, in a traditional sense Umaga should always be heel, but with the smarks he's over so gets cheered(kinda). Its a min-version of the Cena thing, but in revers(if that makes any sense).[/quote]

I think we all agree (minus 1) that Umagas Gimmick needs refining and definately doesn't need changing.
To be accepted as a credible world champion he needs a handler/manager like Estrada used to be before he became more popular than WWE liked.

And finally, he needs to convincingly destroy a main event face.

100% agree( oh nozz i iz in trouble now wiv Santino-mk2...*youa guys makea me so'a mad* lol).

Haven't a clue which face he should be destroying though, maybe Taker if he wasn't the champ(never gonna happen I know), HBK/J2Y(although i don't wanna see that). like I said the opportunity was there with Batista but......

realmadrid2manu wrote:

what is wrong in having a rebellious attitude

yes i did make that thread as i used to love niceboard and 606 but blah blah blah

i said i have a life a student shall have that is stay at home do your homeworks and research..

That is not a life, when I was in school I was apart of a football team, two football teams, had a school team on Saturday Mornings and had the Sunday League team as well and followed my own football club on a Saturday, we had football training and went to boxing training every Monday, had an active social life as well as having the odd thing with a few girls!

Oh I managed to pass my exams as well

That's having a life, not stuck to your computer all day in the hope that someone somewhere will have some pity and actually take time out to talk to you!

You can quote anything I say, I dont need to change anything I say, I say what I mean and I mean what I say!

If you had any inkling of understanding you would know that instead of reading in your own stupid broken English way.

You are nothing but a pathetic little ponce who is screaming out for real friends, unfortunately no one would give you a second look, hence on the net when your not in School (being ignored)!

I think Umaga if he is still a heel at the time can go over Jeff Hardy, and while its not exactly Ideal because he SHOULD be going over Hardy he couldnt buy a win against him before the ban, so maybe he should be seen as to put him out!

Also I would like to see him in a programme with Michaels, and while I would hope HBK would come out in top it could get Umaga over as a top guy if it takes say 4 or 5 Sweet Chin Musics to finally put him down for the 3 count, it would make Umaga look strong and since he is known to take head knocks better than most it would be realistic as such as well, then it would also add to Michaels 'win at all costs' attitude that the WWE look as if they want to run with

realmadrid2manu wrote:

what is wrong in having a rebellious attitude

And there in lies the problem, the only time having a rebellious attitude actually matters is when you are rebelling against something worthwhile, getting your pants in a knot over an article where your opinion does not matter is not worthwhile and shows you up to be the pathetic little WUM you have become!

You have spent to much time WUMMING on the new NOTSOniceboard and did so on 606 as well to which the place is a shambles now, you cant help your stupid pathetic little self!

I think your really Austrian!

realmadrid2manu wrote:

i mentioned gaffer and marty not you

you said it was common sense. well common sense says that wwe are changing umaga into a baby face, i can't see why the common sense of you guys(marty,bazz[as you mentioned yourself] and gaff) has more sense of that of the wwe.

Oi Manuel, I told you not to 'mention' me again, I have no desire to keep dealing with retarded cunts like you, so dont even bother replying to any article I post, at least on 606 I could delete rape victims like you!

This thread, and the one on the other place has actually made me appreciate Umaga and what COULD be done with him.

In essence, good debate has gotten him over (with me at least)

Yea I thought the article had potential, its just a shame that pathetic little moon men have other ideas to try and ruin what could be a good debate!

I think what Umaga really needs as well though is a new finisher, I just dont think the spike looks good enough, its alright when he uses it on someone like Paul London who can sell it brilliantly but I think he should use the headbutt from the top rope or a power bomb, a Razors Edge possibly

The thing with the Spike is that in reality it is one of the most real and deadly on the roster, but in kayfabe terms its quite boring.

Oh I definitely 'get' the whole point of the spike, but I just cant see it being a move to win a world championship, also like you said, it is in reality deadly so how weak does it look when he hits someone with it and they walk back to the locker room when the match is finished

I would like to see Umaga nailing jobbers with it all over the place and see them carried out and off RAW/Heat for a while and all the while building it up as a lethal move, then Umaga being banned from using it so having to use another finisher and during big matches when the ref is out of it or back turned he hits people with it which those guys could sell well and stay off TV for a couple of weeks to build the feud and the move

I like the idea of him using the razor's edge as no one else is using it anymore(well unless Scott hall is using it on his fellow rehab druggies), either Umaga or Kennedy should steal that.

good call.

The Samoan Spike works well only if the guy 'receiving' it sells it well. Jeff Hardy did it brilliantly last year at a PPV (can't remember which one), but when wrestlers don't, it looks like a fat bloke prodding you with his thumb.

WWE did start booking Umaga as the unstaoppable savage, mainly in the Elimination Chamber - it took 4 finishers to beat him, he dominated whilst he was in the match, and looked damned good doing it.

I like the savage gimmick, I'm not too sure about the 'handler' idea though - mainly because I've been all nostalgic for the early 90's lately, and it reminds me of Kimchee and Kamala. It didn't work then, I don't think it'd get over now. Personally, I'd have Umaga attacking people at random, on Raw, ECW and Smackdown.

I think WWE missed a chance with Umaga - had they booked him to destroy Jeff when Hardy started his suspension, Jeff would have been off TV for 2 months 'recuperating', both would have a had a decent feud to push themselves and get over, and Umaga still would have had the match with Batitsta at Mania.

Thinking back to Rikishi, didn't they introduce him as speaking English as him being a breakdancer in San Francisco or something, asnd trying to rediscover his Samoan roots in the Headshrinkers? As long as WWE doesn't do anything dumb like again...

And I hope I'm not agreeing with Marty, Bazz and Gaffer too much here...

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