2 questions...

2 random questions that occurred last night whilst watching the repeat of Raw.

Firstly, is HBK injured? I don't mean the crappy make-up job with his eye, but is there a genuine reason he isn't wrestling at the moment?

Also, Undertaker is 16-0 at Wrestlemania. Anyone know who has the worst record at the Grandaddy of them All? Who's made the most appearances without winning / winning the fewest times (counting MITB, Battle Royals etc). I don't have a clue who it is, just wondering if anyone had any ideas?

i think triple h has a poor record at WM. not sure if its the worst

Seem to remember big show has a stinking record thats my vote for the worst

Mr Wrestlemania himself HBK doesnt actually have that good a record.

Won 6

Flair 24
Vince 22
Jericho 19
Bret 12
Tito Santana 8
Barbarian & Haku (w Jannety) 7

Lost 9

Cena 23
Angle 21
Benoit 20
Austin 14
Diesel 11
Razor 10
Orient Express (w Jannety) 6
Twin Towers (w Jannety) 5

Hope this (gain's a vote) and help's you...

Appearences.

Most WrestleMania Appearances:
16 – The Undertaker

Most Consecutive WrestleMania Appearances:
12 – Bret Hart

Heel & Face Turns

Wrestlers to Make a Face Turn at WrestleMania:
Brutus Beefcake (WM 3)
Andre the Giant (WM 6)
Randy Savage (WM 7)
Steve Austin (WM 13)
The Big Show (WM 15)
Kane (WM 15)

Wrestlers to Make a Heel Turn at WrestleMania:
Rick Martel (WM 5)
Curt Hennig (WM 10)
Bret Hart (WM 13)
Triple H (WM 15)
Steve Austin (WM 17)
Trish Stratus (WM 20)

Title Facts

Only Wrestler to Win and Lose the Same Title at WrestleMania:
Yokozuna (WM9)

Only Wrestler to Lose 2 Belts at the same WrestleMania:
Kurt Angle (WM 16)

Most World Title Victories (WWF, WWE & World Heavyweight Championship)
3 – Hulk Hogan
3 – Steve Austin
3 - The Undertaker

Only man to win a World Title, a secondary title, and a tag team title at WrestleMania:
Bret Hart

Only Tag Teams to Walk out as Champions at Consecutive WrestleMania Events:
Demolition (WM 4,5,6)
Edge & Christian (WM 16,17)

Win/Loss Records

Most WrestleMania Wins:
16 - The Undertaker

Most Consecutive WrestleMania Wins:
16 – The Undertaker

Most Wins at 1 WrestleMania:
4 – Randy Savage (WM 4)

Most WrestleMania Losses:
7 – Tito Santana & Big Show

Most Consecutive WrestleMania Losses:
7 – Tito Santana

Most Losses at 1 WrestleMania:
2 – Kurt Angle (WM 16)

Wrestlers Undefeated at WrestleMania (min. 3 matches):
Animal 3-0
Ax 3-0
Hawk 3-0
Rob Van Dam 4-0
Sable 3-0
Undertaker 16-0

Wrestlers to Never Win at WrestleMania (min. 3 matches):
B Brian Blair 0-3
Bart Gunn 0-3
Bubba Ray Dudley 0-4
Crush 0-4
D-Lo Brown 0-3
D-Von Dudley 0-4
Finlay 0-3
Goldust 0-5
Jeff Hardy 0-4
Jim Brunzell 0-3
Kama Mustafa (The Godfather/Goodfather) 0-3
Koko B Ware 0-3
Raymond Rougeau 0-3
Savio Vega 0-3
Vince McMahon 0-3

Wrestlers Placement on the Card

Wrestler to Appear in the Most Final Matches at WrestleMania:
8 - Hulk Hogan

Wrestler to Appear in the Most Consecutive Final Matches at WrestleMania:
5 – Hulk Hogan (WM 5 – 9)

Wrestlers to be in the Final Match at Their First WrestleMania:
Hulk Hogan (WM1)
Mr. T (WM 1)
Roddy Piper (WM 1)
Paul Orndorff(WM1)
Ted DiBiase (WM 4)
Sgt. Slaughter (WM 7)
Sid (WM
Yokozuna (WM 9)
Lawrence Taylor (WM 11)
Brock Lesnar (WM 19)

Wrestler to Appear in the Most Opening Matches:
3 – Shawn Michaels

Only Wrestler to be in the Opening & Final Match at the Same WrestleMania:
Bret Hart (WM10)

Only Wrestler to go From the Final Match to the Opening Match the Next Year:
Paul Orndorff

Wrestlers to go From the First Match to the Last Match the Next Year:
Chris Jericho
Edge

Wrestlers to be in Both an Opening & a Final Match at WrestleMania:
Big Show
Bret Hart
Chris Jericho
Edge
John Cena
Paul Orndorff
Shawn Michaels
Yokozuna

Well that told us!

beats me trawling through each Mania one at a time to find them out. Had just compiled Big Show's list as well you swine (his one win was teamed with Kane v Carlito & Masters)

What a shout I knew Big Show lol

Haha, if you need stat's, google the fecker's innit lol.

has jeff never won at mania??? suprises me

confuses me too

Ma Fish are local encyclipedia answer this know

Firstly, is HBK injured? I don't mean the crappy make-up job with his eye, but is there a genuine reason he isn't wrestling at the moment?

probably confuses jeff too depending on what he's taken that day.

Lol, dont know about that though, encyclopedia is fresh out of HBK news. I really dunno, his wiki end's with him kissing the HD screen!?

Jeff woulda been 4-1 this year if he hadn't vacumed that coke. His first WM's were with Matt, here's a quick wiki round up, Hardy's were in WM 2000 Ladder Match, loss to Edge and Christian, WM 2001 TLC, loss to Edge and Christian again, at WM 2002, loss to Billy and Chuck in a 4 corner tag match, Jeff was in the MITB Ladder match at WM 2007.

I think that's all, had to look at each Wm for that, but that's 4 so...

spose its what you get if you keep getting suspended.

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You really think hardy was meant to win the MITB and therfore the title then?

Just have a feeling wwe wanted to give punk that push that way cos jeff could have challenged for a title anyway by beating the champ in a single match or whatver but punk would need a big story b4 that would be the case

Only by going on the rumour's I, and every body here, heard, that he was booked to win MITB, it made sense at the time, he was winning every match, was the first to qualify weren't he? He looked to be getting pushed big time, where as Punk, it was said here abit ago, he was loosing alot of matches before, and after his MITB win.

I dunno how Hardy woulda cashed it in, he did a few cheeky Twist of Fate's in his time but I dunno if it woulda been the same way as Punk did?

It was my first time seeing MITb and everything surrounding it, story's, pushes etc, so I didn't know exactly what to expect but Im guessing no one had a streak like Punk did before? Lol.

Also on a side note, Punk taking 'advantage' of a downed Edge to get the strap, I know Edge has done this to win his strap when he cashed in his shot, but do you think having too many MITB's cashed in this way take's anything away from the MITB match they won it from?

I would have thought so, i half ecpected edge to kick out, or reverse, put on a decent match and lose. But obv they wanted him to break down as a story so it fitted, so i dont know, depends whats planned for the others involved.

I just think somtimes we guess wrong and presume we would have been right if somthing changes.

I mean maybe jeff was always destined for smackdown so wouldnt have got a title yet and would be there to feud with edge HHH mvp and kenedy for that title

I think your on to something (shit Im Leak-ing lol) Who know's what they had in store for Jeffrey in that 60 day period? Same with Regal now, I am right in thinking the old KOTR title shot was at Summer Slam? Think of the time they missed to build something up with Regal and the champ, CM Punk or who ever?

On a whole, I liked the way Punk became champ, but if Jeff missed out and the rumour's were true, then bad luck Jeff, congrat's Punk.

aye means they will start trusting others ahead of jeff (was gonna say if he keeps up, but he cant hel be fired lol)

so maybe when they are writing they will think, well why give jeff the mackdown title now if he might eff it all up, lets give MVP a better run (or smothing like that)

I have a feeling they wont get rid of some one as over as Jeff, he was over last time he got fired, but he's overly over now, do you think Vince would even test him again? Lol. Does the wellness program call for atleast one test per year? Would they let TNA snatch him up straight away? A lot of question's in that scenario...

It would be good for business him having a small title run, a couple of month at most, but personally I would give it to some one who is trusted, the like's of HHH, Big Show etc, till the time come's for Kennedy, MVP to step up to main eventer's. That's how it should be anyway. But Jeff, the odd sporadic run with the main gold, between mid card run's is what's best for him IMO.

aye, i think he will win a main title, if the fans keep caring, didnt get much of apop on smackdown which was weird.

have to see what its like 2nite.

Id fully expect him to not win at a ppv though, maybe a normal show at north carolina to get the figure bumped up for a while.

I cant see him parading a big belt for too long though, before either matt got involved or edge took it back

That's it, if the fan's care, Hardy merch has to be one of the best selling on Shop.com, next to HHH and Cena's latest 'child friendly' T Shirt.

I didn't really notice the pop he got on SD, but they do Post Production on it so WWE might have done what they couldn't do on Raw, have the crowd appear louder for bigger star's and lower the real pop's for folk like Hardy? Maybe?

At the mo, both Hardy's are doing the same recording's, so if they are snappy, but it's very unlikely, they could get both Hardy's going for the strap like you say, with Edge or HHH coming out top's. But August is when ECW start's recording after Raw isn't it?

no its now september

Sexton_hardcastle wrote:

I would have thought so, i half ecpected edge to kick out, or reverse, put on a decent match and lose. But obv they wanted him to break down as a story so it fitted, so i dont know, depends whats planned for the others involved.

I just think somtimes we guess wrong and presume we would have been right if somthing changes.

I mean maybe jeff was always destined for smackdown so wouldnt have got a title yet and would be there to feud with edge HHH mvp and kenedy for that title

I was thinking the same thing.

They took their time starting the match, so i figured they'd attribute it to that if he kicked out.



also, to the best of my knowledge, HBK isn't hurt, they're selling his eating a TV.

He will probably be offscreen untill the bash, which means he will be on raw the week before as i have said it. Should be a good match if they keep him off tv though, alot of hate can be portrayed. Could steal the show

The thing is if HBK isn't really injured, then why don't WWE put him up against Matt Striker or someone like that to show Jericho that even though he can only see out of one eye, he is still good enough to win matches.

I just don't see why WWE would not put him in at least 1 match before the GAB, if he wasn't really injured.

they have enough talent on screen?

a rest cant hurt?

it builds it up PROPERLY for once?

in a tv show, if your charactor isnt in a show, u dont have him dress up as the post man for a scene.